DIY midi controller layout.

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DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:33 am

Working on a larger controller for my set up. Most everything is tested... what do you guys think of the layout???
Most things are pretty self explanatory, I should note that the 8 buttons on either side are multi function buttons, one of them will be a mode button and can change the functions between loop, hot cues, sampler play back etc.
The other non standard thing is the sampler section. The select button will cycle between the eight samplers, were i can load from the library, select PFL, side assignment and adjust the gain.

Anything i should change or add?
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby Mixxx MIxxxermannn » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:19 am

I would:
-make the pitch faders longer - short faders are useless - and keep both to the right of the jogwheel
-move the fx sections above the jog wheels and use a horizontal layout
-move the sampler section above the mixer and also format horizontally
-move the 2x4 button banks down to make space for the relocated fx controls
-use a smaller button for keylock and move it, perhaps above right or left of the jogwheels.

-add cue and play/pause buttons
-rename "pfl" buttons "cue"
-use a headphone symbol for its volume control and move it somewhere out of the way of the channel faders
-I don't know what pre/main is, but it is cluttering the channel faders
-add booth and/or master volume controls to the top, perhaps top right corner


That's a start. Not that pioneer, denon, NI, numark, etc get everything right, but it makes sense to follow their design trends unless you have a compelling reason to break from the standards
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:00 pm

Good suggestions I’ll work up a rev tonight, though with my current setup and external sound card, I’ll probably leave the master gain off. It would be one of those things I’ll set during setup and never touch.
The pre /main knob is to adjust how much PFL or mains are in the headphones, but I really do like the headphone symbol more so than just the word.
When you say to put the sampler above the mixer, like below the EQs?
I’ll mess around with it some more, thank you for the feed back!
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:13 pm

100mm faders are common enough, but am having trouble finding one with a center detent.
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby Mixxx MIxxxermannn » Thu May 02, 2019 4:25 pm

By mixer section I mean above the channel eqs, but with some space so each section has its own zone. I've not played with samplers before (I would prefer more eq control for 3rd or 4th sources to mix with), so there might very well be a better way to implement the feature, perhaps as a vertical strip, similar to the decks 1 and 2 eq and fader controls.

PFL is short for "pre fader listening," which stems from live and studio mixing, distinguished from AFL or "after fader listening). AFL is used for stuff going into a mix bus, whether for musicians monitors, effects sends, mixer outputs, and since a dj is generally never needing to use both both considerations, just call it cue or headphone symbol. "Split cue" is the term which comes quickest to my mind when describing the option to blend between cue and mix options.

Add the master gain, so you don't have to reach for your sound card. "Never touched" settings always end up getting adjusted at some point.

Is center detent crucial for mixing? Back in the day, technics turntable pitch faders were modified to remove the click, as the particular faders used actually created some weird, difficult to use range in the middle of the fader. I'd argue that more fader travel length to work with is more important than whether the tempo adjustment is exactly 0%
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Thu May 02, 2019 4:57 pm

OH i love the idea of having the sampler section vertical, down the center! Brilliant 8-)
I’ll just move the library section above all that, center top.

Ok i get what your saying about the pitch faders, i was just comparing what i have on my Pioneer CDJs, which have a detent, but i can always just have a center mark, or line on the panel overlay.

I also found a really nice Omron tactile switch for the Left, Middle, Right button on th sampler. You can order it with two LED’s and a split legend. Then you can insert your own screen. So i can have a square push button, that says LEFT on top and RIGHT on the bottom. I can just program the micro controller to light both of them when it’s on center or both ;)
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby Mixxx MIxxxermannn » Thu May 02, 2019 5:35 pm

Could you elaborate on the sampler? Are you using 3 sample decks (L,M,R)? What is the number thing for? Is select a button or knob? If knob, can it be a push-button knob to integrate loading?

Having never used sample decks, my intuition would be to use 4 and label them A-D
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby JosepMa » Thu May 02, 2019 7:32 pm

If you don't use a detent, I would still suggest to implement it in a way that a small portion in the middle keeps the same value, Like what happens when there's a detent. Else, it would be quite difficult to set it exactly at zero
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Sat May 04, 2019 1:04 pm

Agree on the encoder volume thing for the sampler..

Ok the sampler section.
Since this bit a code has a ‘bank’ feature (like a mode or shift button) I can change a group of switches, knobs, or encoders midi notes. Like the group of eight buttons bellow, they can be used for more than one function.
The select button will be the bank select, and cycle from sampler to sampler. All eight of em. I plan on not having the samplers be visable and I need to know which sampler I’m on. The seven segment display ( number thing) will show me which sampler I’m on as I cycle through them.

Oh the LMR button, that is Left, middle, right assign buttons.
You know how you can assign the sampler to which side of the mixer.
I also found a better button for this, that I can place an insert and it’s back light, so the switch would actually say left and right.
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Re: DIY midi controller layout.

Postby BigCcat » Sat May 04, 2019 3:03 pm

latest rev....
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